dotOS yearly progression

dot_blank · Post by **dot_blank** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:45 am

I will be using this link to show dotOS' progression
throughout this year and hopefully i can make solid and
stable for release of version 0.5.0 which i plan for 12/21 :)

and i will always be open for honest suggestions

dotOS Progression Gallery

adrahil · Post by **adrahil** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:33 pm

Very nice :)

dot_blank · Post by **dot_blank** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:27 pm

//A Work in Progress
Abstract
** EDITED 2007/03/21 **
** EDITED 2007/06/08 **

//My Wife in Progress =)
Pinky

dot_blank · Post by **dot_blank** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:53 pm

++ Constant bugging made me make a pink version
---- This is strictly just for my wife so dont expect to ever use

++ Added iDv3 and iDv2 support for MP3 songs
---- Added Artist Name
---- Added Track Number
---- Added Track Name
---- Added Album Name
---- Added Bitrate Count
---- Added Track Length
---- Added Album Artwork

++ Added simple audio player POP_UP
---- Can be brought up anytime with use of
---- NOTE + SCREEN keys on bottom bar
---- ONLY during playback of a song during menu
---- browsing and/or during program running EXCEPT
---- when detailed player is running ...upon entering
---- Detailed player the current set playlist will be reset
---- for playback ...this is just for memory cleanliness
---- Yes ...this does include during UMD play or Homebrew
---- running ...for example during reading a fine book in Bookr :)

++ Added Detailed audio player (Default View)
---- Added (Now Playing) and (Stopped) and (Ready) Text Displayed
---- at top of player with the nice TEE green i like

---- Added Covers for mp3s to fit into a 128x128 texture

---- Changed Playing Bar to instead a simple green dot to show
---- Current playing position

---- Please NOTE that the space on bottom of default view
---- will contain play control icons ....i just havent designed them yet
---- they include (in this order)
---- Rewind to Start of song (ex. |<< ) (double tap for previous song)
---- Rewind (ex. << )
---- Play / Pause (ex. > , II )
---- Forward (ex. >> )
---- Skip to Next Song (ex. >>| )
---- to give you an idea ( |<< << II >> >>| )

++ Added Detailed audio player (Playlist View)
---- Added to Detailed audio player playlist support
---- for dynamic song addition and subtraction of a
---- selected playlist

---- Can bring up playlist view anytime in audio player
---- by simply pressing L_TRIGGER

---- Played with Playlist Number Font Color
---- i like how it turned out with green subtleties

---- Played some more with DASH between Artist and Track
---- Name to also use green to make difference more easier

---- Added Total Song Counter to Playlist View
---- and in green color too to add to subtleties

---- Might as well add Track Lengths per Song in Playlist View
---- Not fully happy with it ...will keep playing i guess

++ Added Detailed audio player (DJ View)
---- I used Ruckus as inspiration (many thanks to Dan the Pilot) :)
---- for original design to help us DJs ...i found its design best

dot_blank · Post by **dot_blank** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:05 am

++ Added INFO_POPUP to Detailed Audio Player
---- Added Green font color to some strings for subtleties
---- Lowered Alpha a bit for large pill to make text more clear
---- Changed filename in path to also use Green
---- Added another small pill at the top to make the info more stylish

link · Post by **link** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:14 pm

you have got to get that out soon. it blows everything else shell wise out of the water (providing you have eboot loading support)

dot_blank · Post by **dot_blank** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:41 pm

dotOS is not and never will be a shell ...shells are executed
dotOS replaces your vsh =)

link · Post by **link** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:37 pm

regardless, im looking forward to it... :)

dot_blank · Post by **dot_blank** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:58 pm

++ Added File Icons
++ Added System Icons
++ Added Menu Icons
++ Added Cheater Icons
++ Added Team Emergency Exit Icons
++ Added Sub-Menu Icons
++ Added Settings Icons
++ Added Messenger Icon
++ Added Pic Viewer Icons
++ Added Comic Viewer Icons

++ Finally Added Audio Player Controls
---- these Suck but they will have to do for now

dot_blank · Post by **dot_blank** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:00 am

// Today i just play with some dots =)
dots

reefbarman · Post by **reefbarman** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:14 am

this looks great do you have a release date for a beta or something?? are you doing all the visuals yourself??

dot_blank · Post by **dot_blank** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:46 am

look up ... 12/21 is my release date for first public version
my version system works as this ...i aim for 1.0.0 to be goal
of the project and that will be the end of it
first public build would come half way thru the project
so 0.5.0 is what you guys would get ...and any minor updates
would be incremented as 0.5.1, 0.5.2 etc... and any major
updates (main features or modules) would be as 0.6.0, 0.7.0 etc..
until i finally reach where i want dotOS to remain final version

but the stable build is aimed at 0.5.0 so what till 12/21 =)
as for betas ...i hate the things :P
and yes im handling all visuals as better to do things yourself
if you want em done right as they say ;)

dot_blank · Post by **dot_blank** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:03 am

// I played some more and pinky doesnt love dots
// but she sure loves hearts =)
Lepidoptera

link · Post by **link** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:08 am

by 12/12 do you mean 12/12/07, as in i have to wait another year for this?! i dont think ican wait that long... but i will try.

dot_blank · Post by **dot_blank** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:27 am

yes December 21 2007 what else did you think
and there is no __another__ year as this is first year :P

now lets not pollute this thread like the pmp player threads
with fan talk and just keep postings to suggestions or honest
inquiry

Djakku · Post by **Djakku** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:51 am

that's a very promising project, I love the design so far
I have a few question, it seem that there are a few different collor themes, how will they be packed Xml, or bmp or other method?
will you have a maximum resolution limits for the comic viewer?
do you plan to add an archive reader for comic viewer? (zip, rar, cbr files)
as for the vizo, I assume it's a visualisation, do you plan to write one from skratch?
Since it's a xmb remplacement, will it requiere flashing the psp?
I'm very interrested in dotOS :)

dot_blank · Post by **dot_blank** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:35 am

ok ill answer all your questions ...

* There are no color themes ...so no xml, no bmps at all
* Comic Viewer will have a limit yes ...as what, not sure yet
* Comic Viewer will support archived images yes
* Vizo is visualizations yes ...i plan on writing 3 bog basic from skratch
* With the added ability of allowing you to create your own with scripting
* It Will flash your psp

pspwill · Post by **pspwill** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:20 am

This is extremely interesting. Not only does it look nice it also is a VSH replacement?!!

Ge64 · Post by **Ge64** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:47 pm

This is so cool.

It needs to have support for all other PSP homebrew though, it does right? So you can load eboots? Then here's a few features I really miss in the XMB:

- Support for more formats (especially video)
- USB Host support (connect USB keyboards and storage drives to the PSP)
- Having to put certain things in certain folders, I like to sort 'games' in folder s like '/Games', '/Apps', '/Emulators' etc.
- The Sony PSP Text input is crap. Use the one where you can chose a aquare with the analog stick and the letter with the buttons (like in the Links2 browser)
- Better support for downloading stuff and saving it
- FTP
- Animated backgrounds
- Skins
- Music during game or browsing etc
- Being able to use the UMD drive as a USB device on a PC
- A remote control thing using the IR port, like in IRShell.

This is going to be great, but for me to use it it would need to be based on a some Dark Alex firmware like 3.03OE. Btw what is the difference between VSH and XMB?

johnsto · Post by **johnsto** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:58 pm

I'm confused... all I see are screenshots and changes to colours of icons and text. Have you done any coding for this at all? Is it usable in any shape or form?

You have some very high hopes/targets so it's a very interesting project but I just don't understand what you've done so far. It looks like just graphical design work and none of the important groundwork and system design which usually comes first...

dot_blank · Post by **dot_blank** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:01 pm

ok ill answer all your questions ...

pspwill:
* It will not remove your original VSH from your PSP ...so you can always
---- drop right back to your standard and boring default ...instead it will
---- coincide with VSH to allow you to choose what you deam best
---- hopefully you deam dotOS =)

Ge64:
* It Will Have support for launching pspsdk eboots, exactly in Game Menu
---- as you are already used to ...what else it might launch is too early to
---- tell ...this is after all a newborn baby ....baby steps
* Video formats will come when they come (most likely very later)
* USB Host support forget right now ...get it out your mind
---- (not possible without some use of hardware hub that you the user
---- must create and that i do not see as useful as some might not be able
---- to create produce this hardware.
* Directories will stay the same for historical sake since there is plenty
---- of info on the web about how the psp file structure is sorted
* Text Input Work In Progress
* Downloading and Saving will be handled intuitively
* FTP adds more size which i do not really need ...Sharing is Caring
---- Meaning PSP->PSP improved handling of your content with friends
* Animated Backgrounds is for those who have time to stare at the PSP
---- NOT GONNA HAPPEN ! :P
* I Dont believe in Skins ...but i believe in Theming ...in the FAR future
---- i would think about a good theming system, as for now dont hold your
---- breath
* Music During Everything ...after all thats the purpose of the Audio
---- Background system ...Think POP_UP
* UMD drive as USB Device only presents one purpose and one purpose
---- only ...to make it easier to get the UMD files onto your PC ...and does
---- not present anything i could possibly need it for
* Remote Controlly Thingy Cabooby NOT GONNA HAPPEN ! ...not by me
---- anyhow.
* dark_alex and dot_blank are seperate entities ...thus their creations
---- are seperate
* XMB and VSH are exactly the Same ...the former is just Marketing glue

johnsto:
* It is Foremost an interface ...that is all i present ...with the added benefit
---- of some added applications that some might deam more user friendly
* I do this cuz i dont like the PSP interface (at all)
---- that is reason enough for me to want to change it ...or at the least
---- enhance it to my designs or at least redirect its design to my own
---- (with the added benefit of my wife being my wife to influence my own designs :P)
* What you are looking at here is exactly that but i will do in a more
---- tempting way :) ...with use of images to show its progression with
---- the above albums and then let you salivate throughout the year
---- since i do this for me i do not need beta testers cuz my user is me :)
---- so basically you are your own person and you can choose for yourself
---- to like what you see or not ...you are a free person and your opinion
---- is your own ...so use that opinion to influence my own ;) *wink wink*
* It is a Work In Progress
* It is Usable ...but what use is it without functionality :P
* I either Aim High in my Hopes or i dont Aim at all
* The groundwork is simply interface design using PSP GU and your basic
---- run of the mill primitives ...basically ORTHO projection GU powered interface ...anyone is capable of doing this ...just not
---- with my style :P
* I am not redoing a kernel ...so system design at this low of a level is uneeded
* It is Foremost an interface

Ge64 · Post by **Ge64** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:32 am

dot_blank wrote:ok ill answer all your questions ...

1 It will not remove your original VSH from your PSP ...so you can always
---- drop right back to your standard and boring default ...instead it will
---- coincide with VSH to allow you to choose what you deam best
---- hopefully you deam dotOS =)

2 USB Host support forget right now ...get it out your mind
---- (not possible without some use of hardware hub that you the user
---- must create and that i do not see as useful as some might not be able
---- to create produce this hardware.

3 Directories will stay the same for historical sake since there is plenty
---- of info on the web about how the psp file structure is sorted

4 UMD drive as USB Device only presents one purpose and one purpose
---- only ...to make it easier to get the UMD files onto your PC ...and does
---- not present anything i could possibly need it for

5 Remote Controlly Thingy Cabooby NOT GONNA HAPPEN ! ...not by me
---- anyhow.

6 dark_alex and dot_blank are seperate entities ...thus their creations
---- are seperate

Thx i look forward to it even more now.
Anyhow:

1. Will that mean that it is flashed to the firmware, next to the existing (sony) firmware? Or will it flash itself to the PSP with it's own sony firmware (eg 1.50) included? this may be important because the current firmwares use up the majority of the PSP's flash...

2. I think it is purely a firmware issue, i've seen a few devices being able to get USB host functions by using a firmware update. Also, if someone was willing to supply/manufacture any hardware that would be needed, would you do the software part (if you could)? I think hooking up USB thumbdrives and keyboards (and mice) to a PSP would be a major breakthrough...

3. Of course everyone knows HOW to use the directory structure, but it would be nice if it were possible to sort e.g. eboot's into seperate folders. now when I go to game -> MS -> there are apps, games, emulators and media players all mixed up.

4. You could use it to watch (bought) UMD movies on your PC, this is already possible but rather complicated. they play in any DVD software so if you could make the PC think the UMD drive were sort of a DVD player than it would be very easy to play UMD movies on the PC (which would be nice because you could buy UMDs instead of DVD's, making it possible to watch movies anywhere. right now nobody buys the UMD movies because they cant be watched on TV/PC).

5. I guess it's really simple to do and it would expand the PSP possibilities even further to include 'universal remote control'. the code is already there and you can probably easily use the PSP's IR port. why leave it unused?

6. yeah so are dot_blank and sony, still you plan on using a sony firmware, why not use a d_a firmware? its practically the same but better

dot_blank · Post by **dot_blank** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:21 am

1 yes it will flash on top of your existing firmware
---- as including any sony files is strictly illegal

2 dont count on me to enlighten you on this subject ...im just not interested

3 maybe

4 NO

5 practically d_a's firmwares use twice the space needed as they use two
---- firmwares (1.5 always + x.xx firmware) so that gives me about NO space at all :P

fergie4000 · Post by **fergie4000** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:36 pm

dot_blank wrote:1 yes it will flash on top of your existing firmware
---- as including any sony files is strictly illegal

2 dont count on me to enlighten you on this subject ...im just not interested

3 maybe

4 NO

5 practically d_a's firmwares use twice the space needed as they use two
---- firmwares (1.5 always + x.xx firmware) so that gives me about NO space at all :P

you answered question 6 as question 5. great work by the way looks good.

Wally · Post by **Wally** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:03 am

Dot_blank:

best Vsh replacement yet.

Heres hoping it has support for any format of video

TimmyJ · Post by **TimmyJ** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:08 am

The fact that you intend to add ogg support means that I might just have to man love you =D

dot_blank · Post by **dot_blank** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:27 pm

fergie4000 wrote:
dot_blank wrote:1 yes it will flash on top of your existing firmware
---- as including any sony files is strictly illegal

2 dont count on me to enlighten you on this subject ...im just not interested

3 maybe

4 NO

5 practically d_a's firmwares use twice the space needed as they use two
---- firmwares (1.5 always + x.xx firmware) so that gives me about NO space at all :P
you answered question 6 as question 5. great work by the way looks good.

i already answered number 5 by saying i have no plans at all for this feature but anyone else could easily do this

dot_blank · Post by **dot_blank** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:42 am

++ Added a much better On Screen Keyboard Input Method
---- Originally was 4 letters :P so this is a vast improvement
---- Now it has all full 26 letters of the roman alphabet and
---- 14 symbols at the moment for such stuff like !@#$%^&*()
---- will take some getting used to for some out there but i will
---- provide a simple quick tutorial within dotOS so that you can
---- quickly get up to speed of how to use this system
---- a prototype screeny is available in the gallery under d_bug

++ Work is very extensive this month so i forsee not that many
---- updates for the month of February but dont dispair as this is
---- the month of love ....so go out there psp peeps and go love =)

hlide · Post by **hlide** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:24 am

hey db_Zzz, when can we have an (alpha/beta/omega?) release of this ?

dot_blank · Post by **dot_blank** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:38 pm

dot_blank wrote:but the stable build is aimed at 0.5.0 so wait till 12/21 =)
as for betas ...i hate the things :P