Bricked PSP with 1.5

[Hagbard90]

Sorry for my bad English, i´m German.

3 Days ago, i just wanted to test the program PSPset 0.9.
As I´ve seen the difficult menu, i wanted to exit this program.
I´ve pressed "O", but it was wrong. It wanted restore some things, i dont know. Becauce I was shocked, i had power off the PSP. Then I wanted to start the PSP, but it dont start. :-(
The screen was lightening like always, but no picture came.
Then the PSP is powering off. The PSP is 22 seconds on and the green LED is lightening.

I´ve bricked my PSP. I´m a idiot.

PSP Firmware was 1.5.

What can i do? Since then I cannot be glad any longer.

If I send this PSP to Sony, they will repair and upgrade or send me a new psp with a new Firmware Version.
Should I send this PSP to Sony? Will they send me a functioning PSP?
Please help me...

I have still warranty on the PSP.

[groepaz]

i would not send it to sony. if the psp is less than half a year "old" then bring it back to whereever you bought it and have them exchange it ("gewährleistung"). this way you might be lucky and and get a 2.0 firmware in return. (sony will update it to latest, ie 2.7)

[Hagbard90]

It was bought on 1. September 2005. :-(
But I could send it to Sony and then I could sale it on ebay.
Did they trade this PSP?
Thank you for the answer


(Could you say me my mistakes/errors in my posts? So I can better learn english)

[ooPo]

Take responsbility for bricking it instead of making someone else give you a replacement.

Donate it to someone who's doing hardware work and could use another PSP to take apart.

[Hagbard90]

Won't Sony replace the PSP?
Is my problem all the same to you?

[ooPo]

They may replace it, sure... but it isn't very nice to get someone else to pay for your mistakes.

[RanDom_ErrOr]

like ooPo said. donate it...

while sony MIGHT replace it, you're not going to end up with another 1.5 you'll probibly end up with a 2.6 or even 2.7

so do the nice thing for developers, give it to one of them so they can figure out a way where next time when you mess up your crap, maybe we'll know how to fix it easily.

send it to nem, 0okm00, ryoko, or anyone else working on hardware mods...

hell you could send it to me if you wanted too... i'd even pay for shipping...

or send it to sony... but keep in mind, no more 1.5 :P

[Hagbard90]

Those already lost much money because of the ISOs. I love Sony for their consoles and i´m sorry that they´ve lose so much money by illegal copies. However a PSP is much money for me, but not for Sony.
I repent my mistakes, but I dont have much money. As expensive as a PSP I can afford very rarely as pupils.

[Hagbard90]

Could I donate money?

[ryoko_no_usagi]

I don't need it, and I don't think those other guys do either. I would try to get it replaced/fixed and then be much more careful in future!

[Hagbard90]

I will be carefully!
Well, I go sleeping, it´s 00:17. (go sleeping? going sleep? whatever)
Maybe i´m looking for new posts, again, before i go sleeping.

[jas0nuk]

It's "I'm going to sleep"
Also, you should be very careful with apps like PSPSet, read the readme before you use them.

[Hagbard90]

At this moment, i´ve like to go back in time.
:-(
Good Night, until tomorrow. I hope I get replaced the PSP.

[dot_blank]

im am sorry for your unfortunate occurance
of you bricking your psp ....but it must be
said that pspset CLEARLY states in its readme
file that if you have no knowledge of what flashing
a psp is or writing to flash or even understand
what you want the program to perform then you
should NOT be using said pspset program

what has happen to you can happen to any psp user
that does not understand how the program works
and i am sorry that you did not fully understand
what it was you were doing but please do not hold
pspset to blame of why your psp is bricked ....in fact
the program was working its operation just fine just
before you decided to turn the psp power off :P
a BIG no no ....as interrupting power to psp while
psp is being flashed will as you have shown by example
will result in a brick psp ....something that no flashing program
can ward against

in the future the functionality of AC power checking and
polling for power switch, in which if user presses power then
the current flashing will finish then all resources cleaned up and
psp safely put into sleep mode upon when user resumes psp the
application will continue for the user or if user would like to exit then
that is also possible, will be added to any future psp
apps that our team creates to flash the psp with any data

id recommend you try as much as possible to get it replaced
from sony or otherwise ....if you cannot get a replacement
and have decided one of several hardware modders to try to
correct your psp then please do pm me or email me as i am
always looking for more boards to recover and modify :)

i promise that in time your psp will be recovered to you again
freshly working ....but i suggest you leave this option as your
LAST resort ...i do not intend for you to contact me as soon as
you read this ...and really i do not want your business as more
and more of my time is highly limited and girlfriend wants me all
the time :P...but if there is nothing left for you then consider my offer
...but i leave the details for later if you do decide to go that route

i hope that all currrent and future users of pspset take head of
what has happen to this unfortunate users occurance of a bricked
psp ...remember keep a constant reliable power source to your
psp while ANY flashing application performs its operation
so always to be safe keep psp plugged safely with AC power
adapter and DO NOT disconnect ...i will make this a absolute
requirement from now on in our team's projects that access flash/nand

[Arwin]

Dot_blank, your epistle is kind of pointless (at least the part where you warn him not to blame psppet). He's not blaming anyone but himself.

I would also just go to the shop and try to get it replaced. 1 september 2005 is less than a year ago. Just say something went wrong when you upgraded your firmware to 2.7 or something.

If you send it to Sony you may be charged 90 bucks for reflashing, or you may be lucky and just get a new one. Either way, I would go to the shop first.

Yes, it is your mistake, and yes you are responsible for it, but just see if your shop / Sony is willing to provide you with some nice customer service.

[Hagbard90]

im am sorry for your unfortunate occurance
of you bricking your psp ....but it must be
said that pspset CLEARLY states in its readme
file that if you have no knowledge of what flashing
a psp is or writing to flash or even understand
what you want the program to perform then you
should NOT be using said pspset program

what has happen to you can happen to any psp user
that does not understand how the program works
and i am sorry that you did not fully understand
what it was you were doing but please do not hold
pspset to blame of why your psp is bricked ....in fact
the program was working its operation just fine just
before you decided to turn the psp power off :P
a BIG no no ....as interrupting power to psp while
psp is being flashed will as you have shown by example
will result in a brick psp ....something that no flashing program
can ward against

in the future the functionality of AC power checking and
polling for power switch, in which if user presses power then
the current flashing will finish then all resources cleaned up and
psp safely put into sleep mode upon when user resumes psp the
application will continue for the user or if user would like to exit then
that is also possible, will be added to any future psp
apps that our team creates to flash the psp with any data

id recommend you try as much as possible to get it replaced
from sony or otherwise ....if you cannot get a replacement
and have decided one of several hardware modders to try to
correct your psp then please do pm me or email me as i am
always looking for more boards to recover and modify :)

i promise that in time your psp will be recovered to you again
freshly working ....but i suggest you leave this option as your
LAST resort ...i do not intend for you to contact me as soon as
you read this ...and really i do not want your business as more
and more of my time is highly limited and girlfriend wants me all
the time :P...but if there is nothing left for you then consider my offer
...but i leave the details for later if you do decide to go that route

i hope that all currrent and future users of pspset take head of
what has happen to this unfortunate users occurance of a bricked
psp ...remember keep a constant reliable power source to your
psp while ANY flashing application performs its operation
so always to be safe keep psp plugged safely with AC power
adapter and DO NOT disconnect ...i will make this a absolute
requirement from now on in our team's projects that access flash/nand

Did I understand this text correctly? You are able to unbrick my PSP? I know, it´s not the debt/fault(?) of this program. I doesn´t know that this program is a flashing program. I startet this programm and i wanted to exit it. I press O, and than Home, but it stops because i pressed Home!

[ooPo]

I would also just go to the shop and try to get it replaced. 1 september 2005 is less than a year ago. Just say something went wrong when you upgraded your firmware to 2.7 or something.

People should grow up and stop suggesting that committing fraud is an acceptable thing to do.

It isn't.

[Arwin]

I would also just go to the shop and try to get it replaced. 1 september 2005 is less than a year ago. Just say something went wrong when you upgraded your firmware to 2.7 or something.

People should grow up and stop suggesting that committing fraud is an acceptable thing to do.

It isn't.

Now you have me asking myself an interesting question. Why is it that I can never bring myself to commit any kind of fraud like this, and yet when I hear about how someone else is unfortunate enough (stupidity can still be unfortunate) to lose his PSP like this, I can only feel sorry for him and assume he doesn't have enough money to replace it.

Not sure. Must be something emphatic. Technically, though, you're absolutely right. Let's just hope that one day it won't matter, and you can get and develop most homebrew legally.

[weak]

People should grow up and stop suggesting that committing fraud is an acceptable thing to do.

It isn't.

Blackmailing people to buy a replacement unit by not offering an appropriate repair service or tools to reflash the psp yourself isn't much better imho.
And I'm not sure if you could call that fraud at all. I'd rather think that any court in europe would engage Sony to repair a unit broken by 'homebrew usage'.

So if you send your broken unit to Sony and they chose to repair it I can't see the problem. After all you have to pay the postage.

[ooPo]

Absolutely, send it in. But be honest about the explanation as to why it is broken. Chances are they'll fix it anyway for a small fee... but at least you'll have done the right thing.

I agree that it is a terrible mistake for Sony to not have a more reliable upgrade method or at least a graceful, self-serve method of fixing a bad flash. Unfortunately, there isn't much you can do about it except not buy a PSP in the first place.

[shifty]

Hagbard,

I'd hang onto that PSP for a little while before doing anything else with
it. Projects are going on that make it foreseeable to potentially restore
flash. These experiments suggest restoring from older firmwares would
be easiest, because it seems fw's 2.6 and up have a little something
extra in their Digital Restriction Management. It might be harder to
restore 1.5 from a 2.7 than restoring 1.5 from a bricked 1.5. Try some
weird new hobby in the meantime. Thank you for having patience, giving encouragement, taking responsibility and not acting with a sense of entitlement.

oopo: one of the greatest American presidents of all time once stated
"Laws are only an approximation of justice." What to do when the
laws are unreasonable? Just follow orders? I think not. All enforcement
is above the law, notably. Furthermore, the recent dissident activity
in France (the second major wave since the May Events) is demonstrating the potency of Chantal Mouffe's notion of antagonistic democracy. Not that we should load up our catapults with PSPs and storm Sony HQ - picking one's battles is certainly an art.

[ooPo]

Shifty: Telling others to rebel for you is poor form, sir.

My problem was with the general attitude that its ok to encourage others to break the law because it 'only' hurts a faceless entity that it is perceived to have done wrong. In actuality, it was the user who destroyed the PSP using unofficial software with many warnings included. This isn't about raging against a law - its about taking responsibility for your actions.

The law protecting Sony from taking responsibility for your actions is not an approximation of justice. It is common sense and its a shame we have to have a law instead of being able to rely on people to do the right thing. Being poor is no excuse. You shouldn't be doing things you can't afford to fix. You're not going to go hungry without a PSP. Be an adult and do the right thing.

Besides, if you really wanted to bring this to Sony's attention you wouldn't just try to slip the PSP in for free repairs. You'd stuff it under their nose and say LOOK HERE AT THIS and make it really known to them.

Anything else is just poor justification in hopes of easing that little guilty feeling you have inside when you do wrong.

[cory1492]

IMHO: with such an advanced device as the PSP and its complex software, and the fact that mistakes do happen (like accidental power outage during an update - and they know it will happen, it even says so in the manual) it is almost a crime that they didnt take a second or two to make a protected/recovery mode towards making the PSP "unbrickable".

I don't disagree with you ooPo, it is people who fraudulently obtain goods and services that drive up the prices for those who legitimately gain those goods/services. In fact, it likely already factored into the out of warranty cost the honest end users pay before service charges were worked out.

Use your discretion when speaking to them about the problem. It is their discretion as to whether they will be dishonest and send you a crazy glued refurb unit back. It is your discretion to say "it dun work" and that you dont understand why (which appears to be the truth). If they are any good at it and even bother to look at the actual unit before sending you a refurb they should be able to tell what happened, why its not working and who's fault it was, regardless of how "adult" you are feeling.

[Marco_N]

Getting back to the problem with the PSP...

...based on the description of the bootup behaviour, does anyone think it's possible it's a faulty background picture that may cause this problem? Would it be OK to just wait for early June and then on the 2nd powerup it may work again?

[weak]

My problem was with the general attitude that its ok to encourage others to break the law because it 'only' hurts a faceless entity that it is perceived to have done wrong.

And again, who can say that it does indeed break the law/void your warranty if you use homebrew software?

If I write an EULA for my software that obligates you to commit suicide after usage, i'm pretty sure i'll have a hard time to find a court that will force you to do so.
Just Sony saying that homebrew usage voids your warranty is not enough imho. Warranty is reglemented by local laws, ant not by Sony.

[cory1492]

Getting back to the problem with the PSP...

...based on the description of the bootup behaviour, does anyone think it's possible it's a faulty background picture that may cause this problem? Would it be OK to just wait for early June and then on the 2nd powerup it may work again?

Its possible but its more likely corrupted wave effect patch or bad boot sound that is causing the crash.

[dot_blank]

from his first post its clear that he chose
the reset psp to default meaning all settings
would go back to stock psp ...so it could be any
number of things ...version number, wavy effect etc..
whatever operation it was performing at the time
he shut psp power supply ...anyhow the what does
not matter this discussion is losing track and i see
no point for it to further continue

[moonlight]

dot_blank, now that we are in a non-sense thread, i wanted to ask you something.

does your signature mean something or it's aleatory data? :)
I know that it's not an ascii string :)

[dot_blank]

:) haha there is a thread about the signature
off topic it will stay until it can finally be figured out

[ooPo]

My problem was with the general attitude that its ok to encourage others to break the law because it 'only' hurts a faceless entity that it is perceived to have done wrong.

And again, who can say that it does indeed break the law/void your warranty if you use homebrew software?

If you read carefully you will see that I'm all for him returning it to Sony for warranty work. I'm against lying about how it was broken in the first place as that would be fraudulent, and thus against the law in most countries.